I don’t have a one-sentence first impression on this one yet, seems like a lot of balls got thrown up in the air. But FYYFF! And Steve Earle! And Presbo!
And my neighbor Joe Krown had a speaking part tonight as well as showing Sonny how to play piano.
The “related video” in the youtube sidebar while Crieghton is watching Bush’s speech reads “Katrina 2nd Anniversary.” Oops.
Musicians with speaking parts FTW!
The FYYFF scene was kind of weird to watch.
The Touro ER – I know it was open, but how much better a choice would it have been to use the ER that was set up in the old Lord & Taylor by the Superdome? They were using the store’s shower curtains to section off semi-private areas for examination. It just looked like any emergency room in the US (they all have waits), which was not the M*A*S*H unit reality of medical services three months after the storm.
I loved that Antoine’s kids who were so amped to eat TGIFridays and Chili’s. Just shows that things like heritage tend to be more important to adults than kids.
The YouTube rant was indeed weird. It looks like the Internet is going to be the catalyst to get Creighton out of his bathrobe depression.
Lucia Micarelli (sp?) is heartbreakingly beautiful…and the heartbreaking part is, I think, the point.
Himself is now Manny Chevrolet Bruno? Hmmm. The scene with the car potholing out on the West Bank…I think a silent-movie director might’ve said “You might want to take your facial expressions down a bit.” Still don’t think he can act for shit in this thing…but I want to see more of his Uptown parents and their withering maid.
I’m still digesting, but it was an unexpected delight to see McCoy Tyner make a guest appearance. I once angled myself by the stage exit at one of his shows just because I wanted to (gently) shake one of those hands that had played on so much amazing material that I love.
Interesting that now Sonny was identified as being from Amsterdam (as I think the actor playing him is)- therefore removing one aspect that would make it clearer if he was meant to be based on Zackery Bowen. The experiences Bowen had gone through in the military were thought by some to be a contributing factor to what eventually happened. Which is of course not to say that that subplot still may go that way, but I had this hopeful feeling for a moment where I thought “Annie- you might be spared after all. Sonny might just be another disgruntled jealous guy who won’t harm you.” I had wondered whether we were going to see what happened to conclude ep 3 when Annie came home from the gig on her birthday to discover he’d finished off the booze he’d bought for her. I have to say though, I did feel a little pity for Sonny this time- driving to Houston and getting to sit in briefly on a gig, but it likely isn’t going to amount to anything. That wears away on any artist. Am wondering whether the hard ass bouncer he brought back from TX is going to figure into things, or whether he’s a red herring.
(and we also now have another musician’s opinion about Sonny’s playing – the Vipers leader who said “That guy can’t hold your water” or something like that.)
re ‘can’t act for shit’- I reiterate my belief that if you don’t like what Zahn’s doing, you just don’t like what they’ve written for him. If the HBO team weren’t happy with Zahn’s choices, they’d have told him early on – especially if it was ‘scale it down’.
“It looks like the Internet is going to be the catalyst to get Creighton out of his bathrobe depression.”
One would hope.
“That guy can’t even hold your bow” is what I heard. Also, I’ve taken to calling the bouncer “The Smallest Little Bouncer in Texas” in my head. Also, catch the “Hamsterdam” shout out?
hmm- missed the Hamsterdam reference. What was it?
“Can’t hold your bow’ makes more sense.
are you talking about Sonny or Annie mentioning “Amsterdam”? I didn’t make the connection cause the actor playing Sonny actually is Dutch and probably is from there, so I figured they’d explain his accent.
First, let me say that he didn’t bother me as much this time around, because the cracks in his self-righteousness are showing and he’s obviously becoming some sort of mockable figure of fun rather than a “cultural guardian” or scene guy designed to taken at all seriously. I still think he could amp it down by about 90% and he still irritates me, but if I have to watch him, I’m happier to watch him attack an animatronic Black Santa lawn ornament with a traffic cone than whining about “his” city.
But “if you don’t like what Zahn’s doing, you just don’t like what they’ve written for him” doesn’t make much sense. Kevin and I have both said, explicitly, that we *don’t* like what was written for him, but at any rate, a bad actor can take lines from good to wretched and make them worse. If I didn’t like Keanu Reeves in that horrendous “Much Ado About Nothing” film, does that mean I dislike what Shakespeare wrote for him?
And the idea that if the production team didn’t like it, they would have made him stop is both wrong and irrelevant. Production teams, directors, etc., aren’t always the best judges of how an audience will react to a character or a performance. They make mistakes, too, misjudge how viewers will react, or simply get stuck with an actor doing his own thing on a tight production schedule with no time to argue or recast. Irritating performances and people are often toned down or written out of shows after the feedback comes in. Think of Dr. Smith on Lost in Space (hey, it’s four in the morning, all right?) going from a truly evil killer in the first half of the first season to the pompous strutting bum of later years, thus becoming an early model for our Mr. Zahn.
And they may very well have told him to scale it down early on. This might just be the scaled-down version we’re seeing. But your comment implies that just because it’s on the screen, we have to like it, which of course is never the case.
They made it clear the character (as well as the actor) is from Amsterdam as well.
I still think they’re setting these two up for tragedy, but like all of the “inspired” characters, they won’t match up one-to-one down the line with the inspirations’ lives. Just because Sonny isn’t a Gulf War vet doesn’t mean he won’t go all Zack on Annie’s ass, but I can also almost guarantee that you won’t find her head in a stewpot, either. They’ll have their own story, and the Zack/Addie part will come from the PTSD and the drugs and the jealousy and the struggle to live with their demons.
Yeah i chuckled at their working in Hamsterdam
FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKING FUCKS!
FWIW, hearing those words come out of Creighton’s mouth in such a subdued voice didn’t sit right with me. D and I laughed and laughed and I yelled along with him and all of you in a resounding chorus of FYYFF, but I don’t think Goodman delivered the rage.
Davis going after Lagniappe Santa and Ms. Lula flirting with the Big Chief were funny.
You know they’re setting Delmond up to return home. The scene in which he gets to hobnob with the NYC glitterati made it seem like he’ll give all that up to be Prodigal Son.
Was that Tee Eva on the bus with Antoine in the last scene? Sure looked like her.
brueso: Hamsterdam is an episode of The Wire – explores how much nicer and easier policing would be if they legalized drugs in the US. And that right there is the extent of my Wire knowledge. Would be nice if I rented the DVDs and watched them all back to back. Not during Treme, though. He’s a detective, no he’s a musician, no he’s a Big Chief. Whiplash.
Joe Braun was the leader of the Vipers. That’s two speaking parts from him, but that wonderful gravelly voice and way he carries himself, he is a natural character.
Creighton’s rage is building (as is his robe-sitting visible depression), and keep in mind how tentative he was about his venture into YouTube, with his script, &c.
Yeah, Hana mentioned in her post after (the first?) episode that Goodman needed to look more like his head was going to explode because Ashley did.
Did any of y’all see Lisa Pal’s (I think) Jazzfest pics of Goodman. It looked to me like he’d lost 100 lbs since these episodes were shot. My imagination?
I’m well-versed about The Wire saga so I knew what ‘Hamsterdam’ is (the drug slingers were given a couple of areas in Baltimore where they could sell drugs out in the open with a promise the cops wouldn’t bother them- “You know, like Amsterdam” explained a cop, but the street dealers mis-heard it and didn’t know about Holland, so they mistakenly called it ‘Hamsterdam’)- but when people said there was a “Hamsterdam” nod in the episode, I was looking for something more subtle, like “heard about some crazy cop in Baltimore that let people sell drugs out in the open”. But now I understand why people saw the Amsterdam mention as a nod to The Wire.
At this point, I’m grateful for anything that suggests that maybe Sonny/Annie is not going to be a repeat of Shake the Devil Off.
Really, Creighton is turning out to be a weak character. Look, they are literally lifting Ashley Morris’ blog posts intact from 4 years ago. And what is the fascination with the FYYFF speech / post? It’s just one of billions of foul mouthed internet rants, and not a very witty or clever one, either.
It is of its time.
And once again, Creighton is only in part Ashley Morris. Many of us suspect he is modeled in part on Ivor van Heerdon as well (or at least his ultimate character trajectory will go that way). That’s a guess, not a spoiler.
It would be good (from our personal persectives) to see Creighton take up the musician’s village or some larger cause, but that’s our own affection for Ashmo and not necessarily where the character will (or should) go.
Yes, I caught that actually yelled it at the TV so my hubby looked over mildy alarmed.
The bouncer looks like fun, hopefully we will get more of a sense of what this all looks like from the outside again.
This was my least favorite episode so far, but ill happily watch episodes of set up for the payoffs you get from character development.
Brueso–it was when Sonny was talking with his friends and they say, “Holland, or Hamsterdam, or wherever it is you’re from” and Sonny says, “AM-sterdam, and it’s in Holland, it’s the same place.”
The internet is going to cure someone’s depression?
I don’t think Goodman should recite those words like he’s going to explode and scorch half the earth in the process because Ashley did, but because of those words. Them’s “and we will know them by the trail of freshly-ripped assholes” words.
FYYFF is not very witty or clever? What about the “piss on the Alamo” subtextual homage to Ozzy Osbourne?
As Greg says, it is of its time. There are rants, and there are rants. FYYFF was a post-flood screed that struck a chord with a great many displaced nolabloggers who were feeling similar levels of simmering rage and frustration.
ahh- I did miss the actual ‘Hamsterdam’ pronunciation then. Very cool.
I was also speculating whether Creighton might learn the downside of YouTube if his bosses see his rant, decide “you’re scaring the parents” and kick him to the curb.
I’ve only see the first episode, so forgive my ignorance (got HBO now, and hoping to get caught up this week).
Isn’t the Creighton character supposed to be a Tulane English prof? I understand he goes off on Tulane for killing engineering (a la Ashley), but does he bitch to high heaven about the closing of the English department’s Ph.D. program? Does he even mention it?
As I type this a sign with FYYFF is on the wall just beyond this monitor. It was created by a local artist, Lance Vargas, for the Ashley Morris benefit at One Eyed Jacks. I won it. In a raffle. Only raffle I’ve ever won. It came with a companion piece that says Sinn Fein. That one hangs over my bathroom door.
“Not witty or clever.”
If you were here when that was written, read it when it was written, were angry when it was written, you weren’t looking for witty or clever. That piece tapped into the collective rage, and while most of us were writing about our frustrations one way or another, FYYFF coalesced all of the words we’d written into a perfect scream. We read it, read it again, then laughed out loud wanting to post a link to it in every mainstream news article’s comments section. It became a rallying cry. And interestingly, remains one.
Hey Maitri, take “The Corner” off your Netflix queue right now! Clarke Peters was also the grand daddy of corner junkies. If my household did a “monogamy with exceptions” Peters would be on my list.
The Hamsterdam reference cracked me up. As for the possible Shake the Devil Off subplot, I was a bit creeped out by Sonny having arrived at the Spotted Cat, as that’s where Addie Hall worked.
Sam: Oh my god, isn’t he hot? (No, most men do not understand that age doesn’t matter to most women.) That’s why I hope he isn’t killed off in Season 1 or 2; the rest of the men sure aren’t doing it for me.
Another thing that completely surprised me: I did not know that Al Hirt had a brick thrown at his face in Bacchus 1970.
And that surely was Miss Tee Eva on the bus with Antoine.
I haven’t seen this episode yet. Too busy swimming in scenic Lake Landrieu this week. But somebody on Twitter last night said that Zahn’s character was “The Jar Jar Binks of Treme” which made me laugh for a second.
I see we may have to enact a true “Davis Bash Tuesday”. We missed it last week.
Maitri, Clarke Peters went to school just over from where I went. We probably crossed paths back in the day. If I ever get to meet him I’m gonna tell him I can’t talk to him since his school’s football team was one of my school’s nemeses.
As for the other guys. I dunno. Wendell’s eyes could pretty much talk ANY woman into bed, even knowing he was playing her!
Everytime someone says “continuity” they have to take a drink.
Get in line, ladies. CP is totally hot. Totally. Hot. *stop laughing, boys*
@Kevin: I’m tired of Zahn’s over-the-top facial expressions–ever hear of nuance, Steve? He seems so cartoonish.
I saw Lucia Micarelli play with Jethro Tull and she blew me away then; I was so happy to see her in Treme.
Also ‘withering maid’–a most excellent descriptive!
No, I don’t mean “if it’s on the screen, you have to like it”- I mean, ‘if it’s on the screen, they (David Simon, etc.) like it.” You certainly are welcome to not like what you see. If it is true that Simon supposedly told the real Davis that some folks were going to transfer over not liking the show Davis to him, it suggests that they knew that at some times, the character could be grating.
You said that ‘production teams aren’t always the best judge of what an audience likes’- that would seem to imply that Simon and co. would make decisions based on what they think would please their audience. Simon has repeatedly said that audience approval is not what they’re seeking- they are going to tell the story they want to tell, and they hope it gets an audience, but they don’t rely on what the audience tells them should happen.
The Treme team may want to ‘get New Orleans right’ in terms of New Orleans details, but when it comes to individual characters, I think they’re going to do what they wantd. And they also- unlike us-are privy to the intended long arc is of a character. Not much of anyone probably was fond of Prez from “The Wire” for quite a while, and then that character changed. I doubt it had anything to do with feedback Simon or anyone else had heard.
I think if Steve Zahn wasn’t the one playing Davis, whoever else they would’ve hired would’ve been doing much of the same thing, and people still would often be annoyed by that character.
I laughed at your reference to Dr. Smith on Lost In Space- it made me wonder whether he was the first intentionally blowhard, etc. character on television. But again, I’d guess that the producers of that show particularly back then on a major network wanted as much public support as they could get. Maybe Simon saw what NBC did to try to make Homicide a bigger hit and that turned him off to changing the story to get ratings.
Lucia Micarelli. [sigh]
I’m loving Davis pulling a Manny Chevrolet… Ha!
Who among us hasn’t linked to Ashley’s FYYFF post? Watching Creighton say that, and hearing it repeated later, can’t help but recall the “Hell, yeah!” we all felt reading it for the first time. Knocked the wind out of me a little, made me tear up, like so many of y’all’s posts are doing. It’s all some kind of witnessing. FWIW, I think Davis needs a blog.😉
Frolic, Creighton alludes to the possibility of needing to continue mentoring his TA remotely if they cut the English PhD program and he has to go someplace else, so it just hasn’t happened yet.
I ran home to watch again. This week HBO had their On Demand shit together.
I find it odd that the things many reviewers find too heavy handed or too unreal are the things that were the most realistic. I guess I got a taste of what America is feeling though when that NYC party came up. I was like “Who are all these people and why is that party such a snooze?” In short, we live in a different world. But dont listen to me. I find Davis completely entertaining. LOL!
Did anybody else notice that one of the guys who drags Sonny off to Texas is Paul Artigues, local musician and one of the chefs at Green Goddess?
So help me out here: I always thought “the foot of Canal Street” meant where Canal meets the river, but there ain’t no cemeteries there as far as I know (at least not now). All the cemeteries are at the other end of Canal. I been confusamentalized.
Little quick on the trigger tonight: meant to add that Boutte tells the same story here: http://www.nola.com/treme-hbo/index.ssf/2010/05/john_boutte_scores_again_in_ne.html
Ray, I thought that’s what “the foot of Canal” meant, too.
Got to dig out my copy of “Good Neighbor” and listen to it again. Love that album, anyhow.
And it was good seeing Paul Sanchez on that Texas stage.
Oh, YES, Greg!!!! It’s a thing of beauty and a joy for-fucking-ever.
We finally moved into our new (old) house last week here in Newfoundland, and got our stuff out of storage after 8 months, and one of the first things I looked for and found was my prized “Through the Eyes of a Child” cd that John Boutte personalized with a wonderful message to me although I have never met the man. The upright bass player on that cd, Andy Wolf, was an archaeology student of mine years ago, and Andy had Mr Boutte send the cd to me afterward as a trade for many pints we enjoyed while Andy was a broke ass student. Hmm, anyone know whatever happened to Andy Wolf? I think he was in Royal Fingerbowl for a time(?)
Wiga, I don’t know him but apparently he’s still around and playing:
Yeah, me too. Toole meant it one way, then Boutte/Sanchez another. A street with two feet, or just one foot and one head???
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